Interview with Dahr Jamail by Charles Shaw
from Newtopia
Magazine & Alternet
Posted December 06, 2004.
Editor's note: After covering post-9/11 politics
and the run-up to the Iraq War for a weekly in Alaska, Dahr Jamail
saved his money to cover the war from the front lines.
How long have you been reporting on Iraq, and
what brought you there?
DJ: I have spent 6 of the last 12 months in Iraq.
As I mentioned, what brought me here was the nearly total failure of
the US 'mainstream' media to show the truth of this illegal invasion
and occupation. How it affected the Iraqis, as well as US soldiers.
Overall, they just weren't doing their job, and this has grown even
worse.
I had done all the usual actions of attempting to speak up and effect
change at home-calling and writing Senators/Congresspeople, attending
teach-ins, spreading information. After watching the worldwide
demonstrations on February 15, 2003 be brushed aside as a "focus
group," I knew then that the minds of the American public had
been misled by the corporate media who mindlessly supported the
objectives of the Bush regime, and reporting the true effects of the
invasion/occupation on the Iraqi people and US soldiers was what I
needed to do.
What is it like being one of the only "unembedded"
journalists operating in the country? Do you fear for your safety, and
what have you done to ensure your safety? Whom do you fear more,
random kidnappers or the American Military? How do you manage to move
through Iraqi society now when it appears that, in the wake of
Margaret Hassan's murder, all Westerners are viable targets? And on
that same note, what do the Iraqis think of the kidnappings, murders,
and beheadings?
It's tough. Working in this environment of media repression and danger
is always an uphill battle. Blinking electricity, car bombs,
kidnappings are the playing field. I constantly monitor my safety
factor and those who work with me. I grew a beard, dress like locals,
and only travel around covertly with one interpreter in a beat up car.
I minimize my time on the street, while at the same time spending
enough there to get the Iraqis reactions to what unfolds here each
day.
My greatest concern is the reaction of my own government. I'm
reporting information that the Bush regime wants kept under wraps. I
fear reprisal from both the government and military far, far more than
being kidnapped or blown up by a car bomb.
Iraqis are of course shocked and outraged by the beheadings and
kidnappings of people like Margaret Hassan. So many also believe it
was a CIA/Mossad plot to keep aid organizations and journalists out of
Iraq in order to give the military and corporations here a free hand
to continue to dis-assemble and sell of the country.
On Nov 18 in one of your dispatches you wrote, "Journalists
are increasingly being detained and threatened by the U.S.-installed
interim government in Iraq. Media have been stopped particularly from
covering recent horrific events in Fallujah." What are the
predominant differences between your reporting and that of the
corporate media and embedded reporters, or that of Iraqi and Muslim
journalists? In other words, what does each group do with the same
pieces of information? Do you feel you have a freer hand by being
"unembedded"? Have you or anyone you know been intimidated
or harassed in any way?
Myself and most Arab and western independent journalists here show the
costs of war. Report the massacres, the slaughter, the dead and
wounded kids, disaster that this occupation truly is for the Iraqi
people. Report on the low morale of most soldiers here, report on how
doctors now state openly that due to lack of funds and help from the
US-backed Ministry of Health, they feel it is worse now than during
the sanctions.
I do feel I have more freedom because I am "unembedded." I'm
flying under the mainstream radar of censorship.
I have been attacked from some mainstream sources and pundits. Fox
propaganda channel invited me on after I accurately reported the
sniping of ambulances, medical workers and civilians in Fallujah last
April...I declined the set up because I didn't have a desire to have
my character assassinated.
My website has taken some attacks by hackers...but so far we've
managed the onslaught. I receive some hate mail via my site, and have
received one death threat...so far.
The US Corporate media consistently characterizes the Iraqi
resistance as "foreign terrorists and former Ba'athist
insurgents". In your experience, is this an accurate portrayal?
If not, why?
This is propaganda of the worst kind. Most Iraqis refer to the Iraqi
Resistance as "patriots." Which of course most of them
are-they are, especially in Fallujah, primarily composed of people who
simply are resisting the occupation of their country by a foreign
power. They are people who have had family members killed, detained,
tortured and humiliated by the illegal occupiers of their shattered
country.
Calling them "foreign terrorists" and "Ba'athist
insurgents" is simply a lie. While there are small elements of
these, they are distinctly different from the Iraqi Resistance, who
are now supported by, very conservatively at least 80% of the
population here.
There are terrorist elements here, but that is because the borders of
Iraq have been left wide open since the invasion. These did not exist
in Iraq before.
The Bush regime like to refer to anyone who does not support their
ideology and plans for global domination as a "terrorist."
Here, these fighters in the Iraqi Resistance are referred to as
freedom fighters, holy warriors and patriots.
We rarely see any substantial imagery coming out of Iraq in the US
corporate media. What does Iraq look like now? What aren't the people
in the United States seeing, and what do you feel they should be
seeing?
The devastation. The massive suffering and devastation of the people
and their country. Baghdad remains in shambles 19 months into this
illegal occupation. Bombed buildings sit as insulting reminders of
unbroken promises of reconstruction.
Bullet ridden mosques with blood stained carpets inside where
worshippers, unarmed, have been slaughtered by soldiers.
Entire families living on the street. 70% unemployment with no hope of
this changing. Chaotic, clogged streets of Baghdad and 5 mile long
petrol lines in this oil rich country.
Engineers and doctors, unemployed, driving their cars as a taxi to try
to feed their families.
The seething anger in the eyes of people on the streets as US patrols
rumble past.
Iraqis now cheering when another US patrol or base is attacked.
Dancing on the burning US military hardware.
Dead and maimed US soldiers. The wounded screaming and writhing in
agony. Their shattered families.
The mass graves of innocent Fallujans after the utter destruction of
their city.
Children deformed by Depleted Uranium exposure lying in shattered
hospitals, suffering from lack of treatment, or even pain medications.
Dead, rotting bodies in the streets of Fallujah of women and children
being eaten by dogs and cats because the military did not allow relief
teams into the city for nearly two weeks.
What are the sentiments of the Iraqis you have spoken with towards
the Americans? Is there any good will left? Was there any to begin
with? What do they think of Alawi, the pending "elections",
the continued occupation, the American-trained Iraqi security forces?
Do they have any hope or belief that the Americans will leave, or are
they thinking this will be a generation-long occupation?
There was support by most Iraqis for the removal of Saddam Hussein.
But that started to ebb quickly on in the occupation as people watched
family members killed, detained, tortured and humiliated by the
occupation forces.
Then there was Abu Ghraib. I cannot stress enough how devastating this
was to US credibility in Iraq, and the entire Middle East.
Throw on top of that the April siege of Fallujah, nearly complete lack
of reconstruction, importation of foreign workers to do jobs Iraqis
are far more qualified for, the installation of an illegal interim
government, and you have a complete PR disaster for the US here.
Any credibility for the occupiers, and I doubt there was much to speak
of, after the destruction of Fallujah has been lost. Iraqis I speak
with are infuriated at the US government. While they are well aware
that what is most likely the majority of people in the US being in
opposition to the Bush regime, they believe the US government and
those who support it are guilty of war crimes of the worst kind. I see
rage, grief, and the desire for revenge on a daily basis here.
They hate Allawi. They have no respect for him or any other of the
puppets in the US-installed interim government, because they don't see
how any self-respecting person would allow themselves to be a puppet
of the US in this illegal, brutal endeavor.
They are well aware that he is an exile who has been linked with the
CIA and British intel for a long, long time. He and the rest of the
interim government are views as thieves, rapists and US pawns. They
are utterly loathed, as everyone here knows these people do not have
the interests of the Iraqi people in mind.
The elections are viewed as a joke. Most here now believe there is no
way they can be held in an honest, transparent and truly democratic
way. Most are also too afraid to vote. I've heard people say things
like, "The Americans won't even allow a legitimate election in
their own country, so why would they want to have one here!"
The Iraqi "security" forces, being the police and national
guard, are viewed by most as surrogates of the US military. They are
viewed as collaborators and traitors by most. While people understand
many of these forces join out of desperation because there are no
jobs, they remain loathed, along with the foreign occupation forces.
It doesn't help when many of the police are actively involved in
organized crime.
Lastly, the occupation is viewed as endless. Iraqis know there are
already 4 permanent military bases here, and more soldiers coming.
There is little hope amongst those I talk with about this topic that
the occupation will end.
We've read substantive reports recently that over 100,000 innocent
Iraqi civilians have been killed since the war began. What is your
take on this report, and what have you seen that either supports or
contradicts it? Is the US military indiscriminately targeting
civilians, or are they just hopelessly inept, or is it something
in-between?
I think this report has understated the death toll. From what I've
seen during my six months here, it is increasingly difficult to find a
family here who has not had at least one member killed by either the
military or criminal activity. Entire neighborhoods in Fallujah have
been bombed into rubble. Houses with entire families have been
incinerated and blown to pieces.
The random gunfire of soldiers nearly every time a patrol or convoy is
attacked almost always results in civilian deaths. Keep in mind there
are now over 100 attacks per day on US forces in occupied Iraq.
Then we have the infrastructure-people dying from lack of food, water
borne diseases, inadequate health care...the list is longer than any
of us know.
I think the military is killing so many civilians for several reasons.
Primarily, because they have been put in an untenable situation by
their Commander in Chief-that is, a no-win guerilla war against an
enemy who now has the massive support of the populace. Thus, anyone,
anytime could be an attacker. So they are shooting first and asking
questions later because they are scared to death.
They are using a conventional military to fight a guerilla war-and
just as in Vietnam, it is a disaster and utter failure.
Then there are the soldiers who have completely dehumanized Iraqis,
and I've spoken with some who seem to actually enjoy killing them.
Of course it doesn't help that this is sanctioned and encouraged by
the US government, and that blinding religious ideology appears to
have filtered down into many of the soldiers here. "You are
either with us, or you are against us." Iraq is now full of
fields of death. There is carnage in the streets everyday in Baghdad,
as well as other cities throughout much of the country.
There has been a lot of speculation about the role of oil in the
occupation. Americans were told that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for
the war and reconstruction, but there is no oil coming out of Iraq
after more than 18 months. Certain journalists and activists ranging
from Jim Marrs to Mike Ruppert to Peter Camejo have all stated, in
some form or other, that this was never the intention, that the idea
was to first remove Iraqi oil from the world market, thereby driving
up oil prices (the profits mainly landing in the pockets of the
Saudis), and eventually to co-opt the oil supply to sell to China and
India as their energy demands skyrocket. What have you seen in regards
to oil activity?
Also, Iraq Coalition Casualty (http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx)
was the only outlet to report on a series of coordinated attacks on
the Iraqi oil infrastructure all this week. This has gone completely
unreported in the US corporate media. Do you believe this lack of
reporting is intentional and who do you think is sabotaging the
infrastructure?
Iraq is still importing all of its gasoline. And from what I know,
they are exporting all of the oil from here, as well as that which is
refined in Iraq, which isn't much at all, if any.
I think the lack of reporting on the sabotaging is akin to the lack of
reporting that there are nearly 100 attacks per day on US soldiers, or
lack of reporting of lack of infrastructure, etc. I think it all falls
under the umbrella of the mainstream media's successful efforts to
whitewash the Iraq catastrophe for the Bush administration.
It looks as though it is the resistance who are doing the sabotaging.
An open question though, regarding what you asked, is why is there not
better protection of the oil infrastructure?
We have conflicting reports in the US about the Shia and Sunni
putting aside their historical differences to team up against the
Americans. Do you see this happening, and what do you believe the
eventual outcome will be. US policy makers claim that an American
withdrawal would only result in a widescale civil war between these
two factions and the Kurds in the north. Do you believe this will be
the case? Are the Iraqis in a situation now where they are dammed any
way they turn?
I do see this happening. During the siege of Najaf, collections for
aid at Sunni mosques were organized, as well as resistance fighters
from Fallujah who provided guns and supplies to the Mehdi Army there.
During the siege of Fallujah last April, Shia weighed heavily in
donating aid, and participated in a non-violent action that pushed
supplies into Fallujah through a US military cordon.
The Shia/Sunni rift is largely a CIA generated myth. There are
countless tribes and marriages alike that are both Shia/Sunni. There
are mosques here where they pray together.
There is the possibility of war if the Kurds go independent, but the
more likely possibility of that war would be Turkey invading Kurdistan
before any Shia/Sunni action would occur regarding this.
Remember the Arab proverb; "Me against my brother. Me and my
brother against my cousin. Me, my brother and cousin against the
stranger."
The Iraqis are in a situation where they are damned as long as the US
continues to occupy and subvert their country, as they have been
doing.
It is critically important that Americans begin to understand the
psyche of the Iraqi resistance. What is really going on in Fallujah,
Ramadi, Mosul, and Baghdad? Is this a legitimate, coordinated uprising
against the occupation, or is it a defensive response to the US
escalation of the war? Or both? Considering that the US claims they
have opened a front to "take the battle to Al Qaeda", do you
see any evidence of an Al Qaeda presence, or the presence of
"foreign fighters streaming in from the Syrian border" as is
also reported here?
The resistance is complex because it has so many facets. Parts of it
are simply Iraqis who don't want their country to be occupied. Iraqis
who have had family members killed, tortured or humiliated by the
military...so they are exacting revenge. Other parts are more
organized, where individual cells are operating in coordinated attacks
with other cells, but they remain largely decentralized. This is why
the conventional US army will never defeat it. Because the resistance
has no face, no leader, no fixed organization.
It is really both a defensive reaction to the occupiers, but also is
going more on the offensive as the occupation continues. As one Iraqi
man old me once, "The invasion was America's war on Iraq. Now we
are seeing the Iraqi's war against the Americans."
I have yet to see any evidence or meet any Iraqi who has seen evidence
of Al-Qaeda here. There are certainly other fighters entering Iraq
from different countries, but they are a relatively small number. When
we say "foreign fighters" here, we must recall that every
Iraqi I've spoken with views the occupiers as the foreign fighters,
and not any other Arab who is coming here to fight in the resistance.
Most Iraqis I speak with view these Arab fighters as brothers, and the
occupiers as the "foreign fighters."
Have you had much contact with American troops, and if so, what are
they saying, and what is your impression of them? Do you support NBC
reporter Kevin Sites' decision to film and report on the murder of an
unarmed and wounded Iraqi prisoner this week? Do you believe this was
a relatively "isolated" incident, or did these guys just get
caught?
I've had a fair amount, but not so much this trip. I make it a point
to avoid them now since they are such constant targets. They are being
attacked at least 100 times a day as of late. But when I interacted
with them my last two trips I found most of them to be quite scared,
and morale depended on how long they'd been here. The newer folks were
keeping a stiff upper lip and staying on message. The folks who'd been
here 6, 9 or 12 months were angry, aiming their guns at everyone, and
sometimes high on drugs. Not to generalize-not all were like this. But
I saw many who were, and it reminded me of everything I've read about
what happened to the psyche of US soldiers in Vietnam.
I do support Kevin Sites' decision to film what he did of the
execution of the old, unarmed Iraqi man in the mosque. 100% I support
this. People need to see that this is what is occurring here-and this
is NOT an isolated incident. Nearly every refugee from Fallujah I've
interviewed has spoken of mass executions, tanks rolling over the
wounded in the streets, bodies being thrown in the Euphrates by the
military, and other atrocities.
The footage of the execution in the mosque is akin to the photos that
came out of Abu Ghraib. They are only the tip of the iceberg of
atrocities that have been occurring here from the beginning.
Atrocities that are occurring right now.
Indeed, those soldiers just got caught. This is not news,
however-because we've even had military commanders come out in the
media and admit that they gave orders to soldiers to shoot anything
that moved in Fallujah. What we will see in Fallujah is that it has
been a genocide.
Lastly, what do you see happening in both the immediate and distant
future in Iraq? How long do you plan to stay? Do you believe you will
sill safely be able to report the truth to us when so much of your
reporting flies in the face of the so-called "official"
reports and media blackout? Do you envision an even greater
information clamp-down, or do you think Independent reporting is going
to become a stronger force as the US digs itself into a deeper and
deeper hole?
I see more bloodshed and chaos. Sending more troops will only speed up
the spiral here; increase the fighting. I see a continuing degradation
of the infrastructure and failing of the occupation. It has already
failed. It had failed even before the April siege of Fallujah and the
Abu Ghraib scandal (which is ongoing). The real question is, how many
more Iraqis and soldiers die before the US admits to its colossal
failure, makes reparations for the countless war crimes that have been
committed and pulls out.
The long term-that depends on how long the US stays here. It is rare
when I speak with an Iraqi who wants the US to stay-they say,
"Civil war? It can't possibly be worse than this-so the US should
leave. Then we'd at least have the chance to run our own
country."
Another man pointed out that if there were a civil war, no Shia or
Kurdish attack on Fallujah could ever possibly compare to the
devastation the US military has caused there. I think he makes a good
point.
I am concerned about my safety, of course. This is the most dangerous
place in the world for a journalist to be, especially those of us who
are reporting the reality of what is occurring here. I have concerns
of reprisal from the military and my government-because they don't
like to have the facts get out. I've consistently been a minority
voice with my reporting in Iraq-which has led many to discount my
reports and call me biased.
Yet I have consistently been shown to be accurate, as have the other
independents here. An example would be that several of us were
reporting on Abu Ghraib months before the mainstream decided to do
their job and run the story. And at the end of the day, those of us
who have been reporting that this occupation failed months ago, and
the vast, vast majority of Iraqis oppose the occupation and support
the resistance, will end up again being proven right. But I'm afraid
with the media blackout in the mainstream of the US, in general, being
as stunningly effective as it has been, I think this is going to be a
long time before this comes to light. But it will.
I do envision a deepening of the clampdown we are now experiencing.
We're watching this in the US media now, with NPR having even jumped
on the propaganda bandwagon.
However, as with repression of any kind, the more the "powers
that be" attempt to muzzle independent media and the truth, the
more they create a growing, powerful, diverse entity that finds new
and creative ways to work here.
For example, the closing of the Al-Jazeera office here has simply
caused their journalists to go underground and decentralize, making it
impossible for the government to control them. In this way, the
repression naturally creates a smarter, more diverse and creative
resistance in the form of increased independent reportage.
In the end, people know the truth when they see it. I taste this by
mail I get from my readers-those who read many sources and thank me
for reporting the truth, as well as those who support the occupation
who send hate mail and try to tell me I'm reporting from Idaho and
making everything up. Their ugly reactions indicate that they prefer
not to know the truth-that their government has deceived a large
percentage of the American people into supporting an illegal invasion
that has cost at least 100,000 Iraqi lives, as well as those of over
1,200 US soldiers. Many people would rather lash out to protect their
denial rather than accepting responsibility for supporting such
atrocities.
In the end, the truth will come out, no matter how intense the
repression becomes. And in the end, those in America who support this
occupation will eventually see that virtually the majority of people
in every other country on the planet oppose the American agenda in
Iraq.
It is only a matter of time.
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